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font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\"><em style=\"border: 0px; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\">Welcome to Lim-Loges &amp; Masters \u201cRestoring the Balance at Work\u201d podcast series looking at the challenges businesses face today and their impact on a disrupted economy. Lim-Loges &amp; Masters is a leading HR consultancy in Asia Pacific that helps organisations transform through their people through three distinct yet connected services, Disruption Management, Executive Search and Transition Management.\u00a0 Today\u2019s podcast is about ESG, rebuilding the employee landscape, people profit planets, and we are joined in the studio by founder and Managing Partner Lelia Lim.\u00a0 Lelia has 30 years of experience in the natural resources industry and executive search.\u00a0 Previously at Korn Ferry International for close to 13 years.\u00a0 Lelia, welcome!<\/em><\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: #ff6600;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: bold; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\"><em style=\"border: 0px; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\">Lelia:<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">Hello, everybody.\u00a0 And welcome to the quarterly podcast series in Asia by Lim-Loges &amp; Masters.\u00a0 COVID-19, as you know, has moved from being pandemic to endemic today.\u00a0 And this hopefully brings a new age.\u00a0 And so our theme for 2022 focuses a lot on restoring the balance.\u00a0 And today, we are hoping to address the topic of ESG \u2013 Environmental, Social and Governance \u2013 and its impact on people, profit and planets.\u00a0 Investors, of course, very, very focused on applying these non-financial factors as part of their analysis to identify material risks and growth opportunities.\u00a0<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">What are the critical considerations for business leaders looking to create a sustainable and successful workplace?\u00a0 This is the question that we\u2019re raising with our special guest today, Mr Francois Scheffler from\u00a0 DSM.\u00a0 DSM has set five sustainable development goals, aligned with the UN.\u00a0 And these are:<\/p><ol style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\"><li style=\"font-size: 18px;\">Ending hunger, achieving food security and improved nutrition and promoting sustainable agriculture.<\/li><li style=\"font-size: 18px;\">Ensuring healthy lives.<\/li><li style=\"font-size: 18px;\">Ensuring access to affordable, reliable, sustainable modern energy for all.<\/li><li style=\"font-size: 18px;\">Combating climate change.<\/li><li style=\"font-size: 18px;\">Ensuring sustainable consumption and production patterns.<\/li><\/ol><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">Francois is the President for Asia and the Regional Vice President for Human Nutrition and Care, Asia Pacific.\u00a0 He has spent more than 20 years in Europe and Asia and is currently based in Singapore.\u00a0 So welcome, Francois.<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: #ff6600;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: bold; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\"><em style=\"border: 0px; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\">Francois:<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">Thank you very much, Leila.\u00a0 Thank you for having me on the podcast today.<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: #ff6600;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: bold; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\"><em style=\"border: 0px; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\">Lelia:<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">Francois, you are new to DSM we know, but you are definitely well versed in the industry you\u2019re in.\u00a0 So tell us a little bit about your own personal journey and your vision for the future as the Regional President for DSM in Asia Pacific.<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: #ff6600;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: bold; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\"><em style=\"border: 0px; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\">Francois:<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">Yes, absolutely.\u00a0 I actually tried when I was younger to become a chef, a cook.\u00a0 And my parents said, no, you should be a chemical engineer.\u00a0 So that\u2019s what I did.\u00a0 And then, I was fortunate enough to work for two companies that basically taught me everything, Unilever first, and I was based in the Netherlands.\u00a0 And then, I moved to BASF, the German giant chemical company.\u00a0 And I learned a lot from Unilever in terms of marketing and sales, and then at BASF, how you structure businesses and how you run fairly complex things with a set of processes.\u00a0 But also, interestingly, at BASF, a lot of emphasis on people and something that I hope we can talk about today, diversity and inclusion.\u00a0 And then, I moved to DSM in July, last year 2021.\u00a0 And it was really the culmination of the thinking that I went through during the pandemic about how can we improve people\u2019s health?\u00a0 And really, my conviction that you can do that very efficiently through nutrition, and that lots more is possible.\u00a0 And I think DSM is the prime company for a whole set of reasons, and some of them you\u2019ve mentioned, the triangulation and the balance of the ESG with other elements.\u00a0 But this breadth of portfolio and this willingness to address health through nutrition is really what attracted me to DSM.\u00a0 And what makes me feel very much a home in a company that has this as a key purpose.<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: #ff6600;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: bold; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\"><em style=\"border: 0px; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\">Lelia:<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">We are all really excited for you, Francois.\u00a0<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: #ff6600;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: bold; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\"><em style=\"border: 0px; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\">Francois:<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">Thank you.<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: #ff6600;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: bold; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\"><em style=\"border: 0px; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\">Lelia:<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">But we are also aware that DSM has recently gone through a significant reorganisation.\u00a0 Tell us a little bit more about that.<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: #ff6600;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: bold; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\"><em style=\"border: 0px; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\">Francois:<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">I think DSM for more than 100 years has been involved in the science of nutrition and health, but it also, over the course of its long-studied history, has been involved in a whole range of other businesses.\u00a0 And in the recent year, it became clearer that sustainability is a defining aspect of the 21st century.\u00a0 And the combination of sustainability and our core competency in nutrition, made it a key strategic question for us about where would we put our focus?\u00a0 And would it be possible to carry on putting our focus on basically two really different businesses, one that focuses on, to all intents and purposes, the human, whether its outer shell (the skin) or its inner workings (the health) and another business that focuses and is extremely successful in sustainability in materials and plastic.\u00a0 And we made the decision to choose to focus on what already 80% of our business was, and this was the original reason for our decision to restructure the company in basically four businesses, three in nutrition and health, which will be carrying on forward, and the materials business for which we\u2019re looking at strategic options.<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">But I really want to emphasise that this is not about a choice of one business is better than the other.\u00a0 This is a choice if we want to make the change that we believe we have the capabilities to do in the health space, then we need to have this laser focus in that space and doing some other things on the side would not be good for that business and would not be good for the main nutrition space.<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: #ff6600;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: bold; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\"><em style=\"border: 0px; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\">Lelia:<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">Yes, yes.\u00a0 And of course, at the very heart of it, is this strong belief in sustainability, isn\u2019t it?<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: #ff6600;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: bold; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\"><em style=\"border: 0px; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\">Francois:<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">Yes.<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: #ff6600;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: bold; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\"><em style=\"border: 0px; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\">Lelia:<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">Sustainability is going to be at the very core of your organisation\u2019s strategy moving forward.\u00a0<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">Why is it essential for companies to make a stand for what they believe in, in today\u2019s environment and climate?\u00a0 What are the benefits for the organisation?\u00a0 Its people and the planet?\u00a0 We\u2019d love to hear some of your examples, Francois.<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: #ff6600;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: bold; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\"><em style=\"border: 0px; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\">Francois:<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">I was going to say the reason why it\u2019s important is people.\u00a0 As simple as it sounds, and a little bit corny, but if you think about what we do, we address through our people, people\u2019s needs.\u00a0 So if you don\u2019t focus on people, then it\u2019s going to be very difficult to deliver on health, which is intrinsic to human beings, who we are.\u00a0<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">And why sustainability, and why do you have to make a stance?\u00a0 Well, to drive an outcome and motivate people, you have to have a purpose.\u00a0 You can\u2019t motivate people just by numbers.\u00a0 And, of course, we all now know this, and it has evolved over, let\u2019s say, the last 10-15 years.\u00a0 Certainly already, when I worked previously in another company, sustainability had been on the agenda for a very long time because of the European roots. At DSM, it\u2019s the same thing.<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">In sustainability, often in the past, it was the question of you either go for sustainability and people, and then you\u2019re an NGO. Or you go for business and numbers and you crack the whip, and you get sales through the door, which makes you successful.\u00a0 And I think what\u2019s really \u2013 and I\u2019m going to use a word that\u2019s unusual in business \u2013 but what\u2019s really beautiful about DSM is that DSM made the choice to combine the two.\u00a0 And I think this is fairly unique that already 10 years ago, at DSM, there was a reflection about, we don\u2019t want to give up on return for shareholders, on delivering solutions to customers that are economical and beneficial.\u00a0 But we also no longer want to forget the benefits to society, of which sustainability is a core one.\u00a0<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">And I think what\u2019s also interesting about the definition of sustainability is often people think of sustainability as green, so if it\u2019s a vegetable then it\u2019s sustainable, or if it doesn\u2019t touch any mechanical tools or chemical process, it\u2019s sustainable.\u00a0 But actually, sustainability contains three areas.\u00a0 One is benefits to society.\u00a0 One is, of course, the ecological benefit,\u00a0 which is if you want the green part, and one is the economic benefits because there is no sustainability going forward if it actually doesn\u2019t work out for the economy. So I think this is a little bit of a long answer if you want.<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: #ff6600;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: bold; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\"><em style=\"border: 0px; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\">Lelia:<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">No, no, not at all.\u00a0 And our readers and our listeners love examples of how it\u2019s been applied in your company.\u00a0 Definitely, we\u2019re not really talking about concepts, and we\u2019re not lecturing here, but really sharing some of the insights that you have.\u00a0<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">How do companies build an ESG framework that is future-proof for tomorrow\u2019s economic realities?\u00a0 That\u2019s a real issue, isn\u2019t it?\u00a0 And you\u2019ve put it beautifully by talking about how DSM has combined all those features into a sustainable statement.\u00a0 So tell us a bit more about some of the examples.<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: #ff6600;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: bold; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\"><em style=\"border: 0px; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\">Francois:<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">Yes, and I think what\u2019s really interesting about DSM is that it does this at multiple levels of granularity.\u00a0 So, for example, DSM has made a key decision that its senior executives will be rewarded 50% on numbers and 50% on sustainable or sustainability-related goals.\u00a0 And this includes people but also activities in the NGO world if you want.\u00a0<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">But then you go one step further, and you don\u2019t just talk about that at a lofty level, but you make it concrete.\u00a0 So, for example, DSM invests in very specific activities, such as a programme in Rwanda where we actually seek to improve the livelihood of smallholder farmers because more than half of agricultural activities in the world are with smallholder farmers.\u00a0 And a lot of them are just about able to produce enough for their families and their very close neighbourhoods.\u00a0 We believe that this is not enough and this is not sustainable.\u00a0 So we\u2019ve invested in a model, I can\u2019t exactly remember the term, but I think it\u2019s AAIF in Rwanda. Here we created an ecosystem that provides an outlet that values the farmer\u2019s output a little bit higher, creating this mini-industrialised concept, and then drives the sales, creating a larger ecosystem.\u00a0 And this has helped 130,000 very small farmers to be more embedded into a structural setup that delivers, in this case, an economical sustainable benefit.\u00a0<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">But similarly and differently, in India, we have looked at how we can provide people who have a big need for micronutrients to improve their health \u2013 and opportunities to do this without changing their food habits.\u00a0 Because what\u2019s very difficult, especially if you don\u2019t have much income and money to spend, is to go in and say something as strange as \u201cwhy don\u2019t you take a tablet\u201d, right?\u00a0 People don\u2019t want to do that.\u00a0 So you have to find ways of using food that people usually consume and not changing anything to produce the meal.\u00a0<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">So this is rice, for example.\u00a0 So we\u2019re very strong in rice fortification and what we call Eggonomics, which is about fortifying and changing the diet of a chicken to obtain an egg with a much higher concentration of micronutrients.\u00a0 And people can use the egg just like they\u2019ve been using normally.\u00a0 So this way you enter the benefit into the standard ways of living of people.<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: #ff6600;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: bold; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\"><em style=\"border: 0px; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\">Lelia:<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">Yes, yes.\u00a0 And I know your other role, you\u2019ve spoken about it just now, within DSM is to lead the health, nutrition and care in the region.\u00a0 Right?\u00a0 So this example you gave is great, and one of your SDG\u2019s is malnutrition and how to tackle that problem.\u00a0 And we know malnutrition is a big problem, especially in Asia.\u00a0 How does that impact some of your business strategies?\u00a0 How does it provide a platform for growth for you?<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: #ff6600;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: bold; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\"><em style=\"border: 0px; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\">Francois:<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">The simple answer is that we have five segments that we serve in the health, nutrition and care areas.\u00a0 And in the specific nutrition area, because, of course, in personal care, the segments are a little bit different.\u00a0 And one of these segments is what we call Nutrition Improvement.\u00a0 So it\u2019s one of the five core segments.\u00a0 And what\u2019s also interesting at DSM is that it has a very similar size to other segments.\u00a0 So it\u2019s not like something we do on the side when we have a bit of time left.\u00a0 But it\u2019s actually something we invest resources in the same level of professionalism and proficiency as all the other segments.\u00a0 So basically, we integrate it formally into our business.\u00a0 And then we drive this with the same level of scientific innovation that we do all the other businesses.\u00a0<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">So, what I think we\u2019ve done really nicely is that we handle nutritional improvement and commitment to the World Food Programme 17 UN goals that you\u2019ve mentioned before as part of our business.\u00a0<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">Now, this has sometimes difficult consequences.\u00a0 So, when we\u2019re having a conversation like we\u2019re having about how much we should invest in making rice kernels?\u00a0 Where should we invest?\u00a0 Sometimes the returns are not there.\u00a0 So we have to a little bit triangulate and say, well, what\u2019s the importance of meeting this goal?\u00a0 What is the importance of having a return today versus having a return tomorrow? And we can make compromises because we have added capabilities and other revenue streams that balance things out.\u00a0 So we look at things holistically.\u00a0<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">And the last thing I\u2019d like to say about this is, it\u2019s really a strong motivator for the team, because even people who work on the very high end, fancy, let\u2019s say, very high concentrate, for example, Omega 3, for people who can afford it, they feel motivated that they also work for a company that is ready to look at nutrition for everyone.<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: #ff6600;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: bold; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\"><em style=\"border: 0px; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\">Lelia:<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">And how has this been motivating for your employees?\u00a0 Help me understand how it\u2019s become part of their agenda, picking DSM as their employer of choice?<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: #ff6600;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: bold; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\"><em style=\"border: 0px; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\">Francois:<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">We basically have employees who have been hired or who come and interview who say, we came over to talk with you because you have a focus on nutritional improvement; we came over to speak with you because you\u2019re interested in sustainability.\u00a0 Now, we\u2019re certainly not perfect.\u00a0 Certainly, we have to work further, for example, on our contribution to mental health, which is a major issue coming out of the pandemic.\u00a0 But I think employees recognise that this is something we mean seriously, and I was going to say wholeheartedly.<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">So it\u2019s been very useful in the recruitment and retention of employees.\u00a0 But I think at DSM, we\u2019re also proud that not all the employees stay forever with DSM, but they spread our way of looking at the world around us.\u00a0 So I like this idea and, to some extent, being a little bit of a foundry of another type of leader for the industry.<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: #ff6600;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: bold; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\"><em style=\"border: 0px; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\">Lelia:<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">And hopefully, new visionaries for the future.\u00a0 So as we look at the positives, there are also some negatives, and how you\u2019re navigating ESG trade-offs, for example, in parts of the world, and you see activists who are pushing for completely meat-free diets.\u00a0 How does DSM manage some of these challenges?<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: #ff6600;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: bold; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\"><em style=\"border: 0px; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\">Francois:<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">I think this is a very important question because we have a very substantial animal nutrition business, which covers all the different types of animals, from chicken and bovine all the way to fish.\u00a0 And the view that we\u2019ve taken here is actually quite simple when you think about it \u2013 it\u2019s that there is a very large number of people, and therefore on livelihoods, that depend on animal rearing and the animal-derived food industry.\u00a0 And so our view is that if we were to come in and say well because bovine produce a lot of the co2 emissions and the methane, we\u2019re going to stop being in this industry, we would actually endanger the livelihoods of millions of people.\u00a0 And our view as a company is that that\u2019s not helpful, right?\u00a0 It\u2019s helpful for one KPI, but we have a view of a contribution to society that is balanced.\u00a0<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">So what we\u2019ve tried to do is say this.\u00a0 It\u2019s about enabling increased sustainability of all the protein sources.\u00a0 And so, we have invested equally into decreasing the methane footprint of cattle farming dramatically.\u00a0 And we\u2019ve just launched and just had the approval in Europe of EFSA for a product called Bova, which decreases by 30% the emissions of methane.\u00a0 And we\u2019re doing this worldwide, right?\u00a0 I\u2019m talking about Europe, but we also have approval in South America.\u00a0 And then, at the same time, we\u2019re investing in meatless alternatives; we just acquired a company that provides the raw material for this.\u00a0 Today I was together with the Dutch ambassador in the lab in Singapore, and we tried flavours that enable these proteins to basically, as the Dutch ambassador said today, taste even better than the original!\u00a0<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">So this is exactly the core strength of DSM; it\u2019s to balance things out, to use our resources, our ability on flavours, to improve meatless protein, and our abilities on the science of methane-emission in cattle to improve this as well.\u00a0 And then to look at the farmers and how can we improve their livelihoods?\u00a0 How can we make them more economically sustainable?\u00a0 Because in the end, whether you look at animal nutrition, whether you look at food and beverage, or whether you look at health, nutrition and care, I believe is that if you improve people\u2019s health, food and nutrition, you have a societal effect that is one to 16.\u00a0 So for every dollar invested in better nutrition, you get $16 back for society.\u00a0<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">So I understand your question, but how do you make these hard decisions, and of course, they are hard.\u00a0 But in the end, what we have in our field of vision is what our purpose is.\u00a0 And when you have this strong purpose as a guiding light, it\u2019s easier to make these tough decisions.\u00a0 That doesn\u2019t mean we don\u2019t make any mistakes.\u00a0 But we kind of orient ourselves back onto our purpose.<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: #ff6600;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: bold; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\"><em style=\"border: 0px; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\">Lelia:<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">That is so encouraging because at the end of the day, trade-offs may not be that extreme.\u00a0 And that\u2019s what you\u2019re saying; you\u2019re trying to encompass the entire strategy towards meeting specific goals around sustainability.\u00a0 And if that goal means that there is some slight tweaking necessary, you would do so, as opposed to trading it off completely and treating it as a total challenge.\u00a0 I like that. I like that.\u00a0 Really, that\u2019s very, very helpful.<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">Let\u2019s look at your workplace currently, and as I\u2019ve mentioned, we\u2019ve moved from the pandemic to an endemic environment now.\u00a0 How do you create a successful workplace?\u00a0 How is sustainability an advantage to DSM?<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: #ff6600;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: bold; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\"><em style=\"border: 0px; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\">Francois:<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">I think this is exactly the core of my responsibility as the President of Asia Pacific for DSM.\u00a0 This is part of my job, if you want, compared to my main business responsibility, but it informs a lot of how I look at the whole.\u00a0 The simple answer is, you need to focus on people.\u00a0 And this is simple to say, but it requires really in-depth thinking, especially after the pandemic, about things such as hybrid ways of working.\u00a0 About development, how do you develop people?\u00a0 And we know, for example, that developing people is about learning.\u00a0<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">Learning is about the opportunity that we provide for individuals to be curious about what they can do.\u00a0 So this sounds again simple, but it requires daily thinking.\u00a0 So this is what I\u2019m trying to do really, day in, day out. It\u2019s to create an environment for people where they can feel entirely safe and comfortable, that they can be themselves so that they bring their unique talents to the fore with no hindrance, with no feeling of \u201cI can\u2019t talk about this, I can\u2019t do that\u201d.\u00a0 So that really adds up.<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">So it\u2019s a long-term philosophy, if you want, of taking the idea that if I focus on people and their wellbeing, they will contribute to the sustainability of our operations. They will want to stay and feel comfortable and therefore look after the company as well, so there\u2019s this other aspect.\u00a0<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">Of course, an aspect that we haven\u2019t talked about is the very strong importance of customers and, more and more so for DSM as well, of consumers.\u00a0 We have a substantial business that is direct to consumers.\u00a0 And the other aspect that I find very interesting is some days people ask me, \u201cIs it not so difficult to always focus on sustainability?\u201d\u00a0 You have to make these compromises, you have to put solar panels on the roof, and you have to decrease your co2 footprint when you move goods.\u00a0 But actually, all you have to do is be driven by what the consumer wants.\u00a0 And you and I are consumers, right?\u00a0 You and I make choices every day.\u00a0 And when we make these choices more and more, we make sustainable-oriented choices.\u00a0 So when we\u2019re in the supermarket, when we affect something, even if we still travel, we think, \u2018am I travelling with an airline that is actually trying to use sustainable fuels?\u2019 Or am I travelling with an airline that never mentions it?\u00a0 Am I going to a hotel that offers for me to recycle my towels or not?\u00a0 So what I\u2019m saying is, we as consumers drive the agenda.\u00a0 And I think at DSM, we tried to listen quite carefully to the consumer of today and to the needs that they may not have even expressed but implicitly mentioned.\u00a0 And that\u2019s a very powerful tool that we have to stick to the path.<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: #ff6600;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: bold; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\"><em style=\"border: 0px; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\">Lelia:<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">And I do believe the employee of tomorrow has so much more information.\u00a0 To be able to regenerate that back to their organisation, their leader, and their purpose is going to be a very powerful tool in terms of driving innovation, new ideas, and even sustainable plans for the future.\u00a0<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">I do believe that what you\u2019ve discussed today is very helpful, Francois, and I wish you all the best in this new role.\u00a0 We are very excited.\u00a0 So it\u2019s been a pleasure hearing from you.\u00a0 And I\u2019m sure our audience in Asia will appreciate your inputs, Francois; thank you very much.<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: #ff6600;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: bold; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\"><em style=\"border: 0px; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\">Francois:<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">Thank you so much, Lelia; it\u2019s a pleasure talking with you today.<\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: #ff6600;\"><span style=\"border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: bold; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\"><em style=\"border: 0px; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;\">Lelia:<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p><p style=\"font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; color: #000000; background-color: #ffffff;\">For our audience, please join Lim-Loges &amp; Masters on LinkedIn for our next podcast.\u00a0 And that\u2019s going to be with Frank Cancelloni, the Global President for Jim Thompson, an international Thai brand, and he will be speaking on rebuilding a culture of recognition and rewarding the new employee. 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